I am a big fan of both gnome and AfterStep. Unfortunately, I have noticed, you cannot just put AfterStep in to Gnome Control Center-->Desktop-->Window Managers. Is there anyway to get gnome working in AfterStep, and if so, how? I have seen screen shots of people running the gnome panel under afterstep, therefore I think it would be possible to run the whole thing. Oh, and, as a side note: I cannot get on to EFnet, and therefore #afterstep. I have my ident server running. When I connect to irc.efnet.net, it says "You are not authorized to use this server". When I connect to irc.concentric.net, it says "Too much abuse, go away!". I doubt that I have been banned from Efnet, considering the fact I have never been able to connect in the first place. I cannot connect at school either (from any computer). Same reasons. And no, neither of us are using IP Masq. Help with either of the two issues would be much appreciated. (the first one would be more appreciated, cuz I am sick to death of E) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, simply type the following at # echo "unsubscribe as-users <your_email>" | mail majordomo@afterstep.org