Hi did you look in the error log? (many distributions have a file that the output of X is written there}. try looking in your home directory for a file named ".X.err" of ".Afterstep_errors" and see if there is something about that there. another option is to start commenting out lines in the wharf configuration file and see if it does start. Hope it will help Bye -- This is the mailing list for the AfterStep Window Manager for X. To unsubscribe, type the following command at the prompt: echo "unsubscribe as-users <your_email> " | mail email@example.com. For more help on AfterStep, refer to the on-line documentation at http://www.afterstep.org.