Re: yet another test (tm)

Doug Alcorn (doug@lathi.net)
04 Jan 2000 20:55:22 -0500


X-as-users-dont-resend


Ethan <allanon@crystaltokyo.com> writes:

> I hate to say it, but:
> 
> "Is this thing working?"
> 

OK, since I _do_ think this is working I will go ahead an offer
another appology.  I am sorry about all the spam over the last two
weeks or so.  The list is cleaned up and shouldn't present any more
problems for the time being (nothing is ever constant :) ).  For those 
of you interested, messages to the list will have the "To:" header as
"as-users@afterstep.org".  This should satisfy all of us procmail
users (myself included).  Munging the "From:" header or "Reply-To:"
header is a Bad Idea (tm).  That's part of what all the problems were
in the first place.

OK, now some history that leads up to what went wrong.  A long time
ago on a server now defunct, Caldera agreed to host our mail list.
Happy, happy, joy, joy.  For many moons life went on without a hitch.
This was mostly due to good administration from Ed at Caldera.  Then
Ed got moved off to some other job function within Caldera.  Also due
to his good admin and setup, we didn't know this for a long time.  For 
about 9 months our list went without any attention at all and longer
without regular attention.  Then Caldera split into two
divisions/companies/whatever.  Our mailing list server got canibalized 
and the list became defunct.  

This is about the time that I had the MX records for @afterstep.org
forwarded to my server (ominous music begins).  I have only run a few
small to mid size lists to date, but thought I could handle our list.
Ed originally told me that the mail addresses for our list was
/dev/null.  So, I started a list from scratch.  A few days later I get 
a copy of the supposed original address list.  Here's the bad part: I
plugged it in and went out of town.  Unfortunately, there were many
bad addresses in this list.  I think it was restored off a backup or
something and was quite old.  The second Bad Thing that I did was have 
the list munge the reply-to feild to that all bounces acctually went
back to the list.

I return from Xmas with my mailbox quite full of bounces and hate mail 
on what a lousy list administrator I am.  I can take all that.  For
the most part I deserved it.  Please do not take your frustration out
on AfterStep.  Ethan, Sasha, and the gang work very hard on the
development and have a great product.  Feature for feature there isn't 
a window manager that can compare.  What is missing is adequate
volunteers (which is why I ended up as list manager).  Again, my
appologies. 

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