Re: [As-users] AfterStep 2.0 beta4 release

M.-A. DARCHE (ma.darche@cynode.org)
Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:10:46 +0100



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Le 2004-03-15 15:35 (lundi), Sasha Vasko a =E9crit /=20
On 2004-03-15 15:35 (lundi), Sasha Vasko wrote :
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> M.-A. DARCHE wrote:
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> >Le 2004-03-04 16:30 (jeudi), Sasha Vasko a =E9crit /=20
> >  1. Some pictures are still missing, especially there isn't any icons
> >     found by AfterStep :
> >
> >     afterstep ERROR: I'm terribly sorry, but image file=20
> >     "dots/arrow_short_small" is nowhere to be found.
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> You either don't have libPNG on your system setup properly, or you use=20
> RedHat -alike or debian-alike, where for each library there are 2 kinds=
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> of packages - libraray itself, and devel package. You need to install=20
> devel package for libPNG.
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I'm sorry for that. I should have read the README file in detail :-( :
>
> If you use a package management system (like RedHat, Mandrake etc) you
> will need to get the appropriate <libname>-devel rpm and not the actual
> source code mentioned above.
>

Running the AfterStep 2.0 beta4 release with the libpng-dev package
provides a much more enjoyable user experience.

I'm even more sorry because this seems to have convinced you to add
libjpeg and libpng in libAfterImage in the end :-( as seen from CVS.

I run Debian systems and I had read about the need to have the
libpng-dev package. But since ./configure didn't complain about that I
thought I had all that was needed. I really do think, like others on the
list, that having libpng and libpng-dev is a good practice.


> >  2. A call to "Exit -> Restart session" in the menu caused an error. =
I
> >     could not find the core dump as in my filesystem advertised :
> >
> >  Printing Debug Information :
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> Thanks for reporting that - fixed.
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I could not test that since the CVS code doesn't build at the moment.


> >  3. I could not make work any of the form and script "screenshot"
> >     utilities.
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> Script and Form Modules has not been implemented in 2.0 yet - what you=20
> trying to use are the leftover from old afterstep installation - they=20
> won't work.
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Can we help on this even if we don't know AfterStep C code ?


> >  4. I did not manage to change the background of any of the desktops.
> >     The configuration I use was in a file
> >     afterstep-2.00.beta4/share/afterstep/looks/look.Border. I restart=
ed
> >     afterstep and selected this file in the "look" menu with no effec=
t :
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> Have no idea where you got this look from - its not in the 2.0 distro.=20
> That maybe another leftover from old afterstep installation.
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This look is a look I'm trying to come up with as a contribution to
AfterStep. It should feature window borders when done.

I'll do other tries before reposting.


> >   5. As already writen on the mailing list, some elements are describ=
ed
> >      using an XML-like syntax. But it's not well-formed XML. You shou=
ld
> >      use quotes around your attribute values. I understand that this =
is
> >      your own parser and that you deal with your own data format as y=
ou
> >      want. But AfterStep follows standars and good pratices in so muc=
h
> >      domains that using well-formed XML is a something that one might
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> PLease feel free adding all those doublequotes and submitting me a patc=
h.
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Patch included in this email. XML normalization has been done like that :
$ for i in ./backgrounds/Plain_Textures/xml ./backgrounds/xml ./desktop/b=
ars/xml ./desktop/buttons/xml ./desktop/icons/mini/xml ./desktop/icons/xm=
l ./desktop/tiles/xml; do tidy -xml -modify $i/*; done


> filename extentions are evil. period. for example what prevents me from=
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> slapping .jpg on xpm file? Nothing, and I could very well do that -=20
> leaving you very confused. On the other hand if you have alot of files=20
> with extentions of .jpg, and you set up your config accordingly, but=20
> then you decide to switch to PNG format - you are in deep trouble now,=20
> as you have to change all your config files, and you have to somehow=20
> support lots of users ot there who have .jpg files referenced from thei=
r=20
> config.
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> File type should only be decided from the file contents. It should neve=
r=20
> be based on filename. Silly tradition of associating filenames with fil=
e=20
> type comes from equally silly MS Windows, and it'd be wonderfull if it'=
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> stayed in there only. If you want to use more MSWindows-nesque system -=
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> please use KDE.
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Don't be insulting, you know just like me that file suffixes helps a lot
for automatizing, otherwise you would not use .c files for AfterStep
code, would you ? But as for the AfterStep XML images I now really agree
that suffixes should be avoided. And as a side note, one can find some
XML files with the .xpm suffixes in AfterStep at the moment.


Regards,

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Marc-Aur=E8le DARCHE  <http://www.cynode.org/>
AFUL <http://www.aful.org/>
Association Francophone des Utilisateurs de Linux/Logiciels Libres
French speaking Linux and Libre Software Users' Association

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